Today I purchased an ex-library (from a sale at the local library) copy of the book called A Universe from Nothing: Why There Is Something Rather than Nothing, by Lawrence Krauss Lawrence.
Disillusioned JW
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If not the WT/JW relgion where else are 'we' to go? Why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism?
by Disillusioned JW insometimes jws wonder if the wt/jw is not the truth, 'then where else are we to go?
' i say 'why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism and why not a secular philosophy which teaches a way of life?
' what do you folks say?.
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If not the WT/JW relgion where else are 'we' to go? Why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism?
by Disillusioned JW insometimes jws wonder if the wt/jw is not the truth, 'then where else are we to go?
' i say 'why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism and why not a secular philosophy which teaches a way of life?
' what do you folks say?.
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Sea Breeze, of course I know it is also based upon replication mistakes, for I said (in words which you did not quote) "... and their genetic material undergoes mutations, including sometimes beneficial ones." It is also based upon replication of those portions of the codes which were copied accurately. Both are needed.
Though you are telling what to do, you have no control over me. You can't muzzle my speech. Perhaps you want to act like the governing body of the JWs. Like them you reject evolution and believe in Yahweh, Christ, Holy Spirit, Satan the Devil, angels, demons, and supernatural miracles.
Believe in magic and spirits as much as you want, but as for me I will continue to know that naturalism is true. I chose to believe in reality - not superstition.
I am not being hypocritical (at least on this matter). What I am saying is well grounded in science. Yes Sanford, a type of young earth creationist, does not believe in biological evolution and he thinks he found a disproof of biological evolution. But I am not convinced he is correct in that matter. I have confidence in many of the claims of evolutionist literature written by scientists (some who are Christians) which specifically disprove numerous claims of creationists, including of intelligent design proponents.
In this paragraph I am addressing readers in general, but to the exclusion of Sea Breeze (for I have no hope he will change his creationist views). Readers, I invite you to read the article located at http://blog.rongarret.info/2020/05/a-review-of-john-sanfords-genetic.html . The article is called 'A review of John Sanford's "Genetic Entropy" '. -
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NASA: Humans Back to the Moon
by Gerard innasa plans return to moon by 2020
"this vision aims to return humans to the moon, and then to use it as a staging point for a manned mission to mars.
i wonder if jws will be required to canvas those areas too.
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I am confident that the Artemis I Mission will be a success and that humans will within several years land on the moon's south pole, and that later humans will begin the process of creating a base on the moon. [See https://blogs.nasa.gov/artemis/ .] I am also confident that humans will eventually land on Mars. I intend to live long enough to see all of that happen - and I intend to live beyond that.
Tonight I saw for the second time the science fiction movie (from the year 2015) called "The Martian", except that this time I saw the "Extended Edition" of the movie. The movie is excellent! It has a very high degree of scientific accuracy (with one only a few scientific inaccuracies in it). [See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Martian_(film) .] It is the best science fiction movie about Mars ever! It is so encouraging and hopeful.
Though the Bible (at Psalms 115:16, as paraphrased by me) says that 'the heavens belong to Yahweh, but that the Earth he has given to humankind', I know that eventually humans will be also be living on the Earth's moon and on Mars, not just on Earth. I look forward to that happening. It will happen because of some humans embracing a form of Humanism (which includes embracing science) and striving to make it happen. Oh joy of joy.
Today at a large book sale of the local library I purchased a copy of the book (copyright 2013) called Mission To Mars: My Vision for Space Exploration by Buzz Aldrin. Mr. Aldrin is one of NASA's astronauts who walked on Earth's moon about 50 years ago.
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Why Did the Apostles Preach the Ministry of Reconciliation Instead of Mt. 24: 14 ...Like JW's Do?
by Sea Breeze inand all things are of god, who hath reconciled us to himself by jesus christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 to wit, that god was in christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
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5: 18. then fourteen years after i went up again to jerusalem with barnabas, and took titus with me also.
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Please clarify what you mean by "The scripture showing your view to be in error was already provided in the OP." Do you mean the following words (ones which I didn't read till about a minute before I made this post)? "Q: Since the ministry of reconciliation is what the apostles preached, why don't JW's preach the same? Why the singular message on God's Kingdom and virtually noting about reconciling with God?"
According to the gospels called "According to Mark", "According to Matthew", and "According to Luke" and according to the book of Revelation, that vast majority of people who ever lived will never be reconciled to God or to Christ. According to those three gospels, the primary message of Jesus was the coming of the kingdom of God to the Earth, but I now admit it does involve a message reconciliation to God. For according to those gospels, in order to enter the kingdom of God one must repent and become reconciled to God.
I admit that I actually read very little of your first post of this topic. I Read the first paragraph of it and that which you boldfaced in the second paragraph, and very little else (since I have very little interest in scripture these days) before I made my first post in this topic.
Atheism is truth - not supernaturalism.
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A list of failed predictions of Christ's Return
by fulltimestudent insomeone associated with wikipedia has compiled this list of the many failed predictions of christ's return.
the predictions seem to come from many believers across a spectrum of various religions.
it does however, miss one that we would be aware of, freddy franz's 1975.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/predictions_and_claims_for_the_second_coming.
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Jesus never was resurrected and never ascended to heaven and thus never left Earth (despite what the Bible says). As result Jesus will never 'return' to Earth since one can't return to a place he/she/it never left. As a result all predictions of a future date for the return of Jesus will fail and it explains why all predictions of earlier dates for the 'return' of Jesus have failed.
Atheism is truth.
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If not the WT/JW relgion where else are 'we' to go? Why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism?
by Disillusioned JW insometimes jws wonder if the wt/jw is not the truth, 'then where else are we to go?
' i say 'why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism and why not a secular philosophy which teaches a way of life?
' what do you folks say?.
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If a radio transmission is discovered to contain coded DNA information then those who made the discovery know that the transmission was made by means of technology, and thus also ultimately by an intelligence, since the unintelligent part of nature never makes such. But finding coded information in DNA in biological beings is a different matter. That is because we know that biological beings replicate and that they all include genetic material (whether DNA, RNA, or both) and their genetic material undergoes mutations, including sometimes beneficial ones. However, since some humans are now genetically modifying living biological organisms and thus creating new varieties of organisms, those humans are thus to some degree intelligent designers and the organisms partly produced by them are thus to some degree intelligently designed. That thus slightly weakens the claim of atheistic scientific naturalists that none of the life which ever existed on Earth prior to around 1990 CE were intelligently designed. But there is no conclusive evidence that an extraterrestrial intelligence (whether a machine, a biological organism, or an alleged supernatural being) has ever interacted in any way with planet Earth. Thus, atheistic scientific naturalists still have a strong argument/claim that none of the life which ever existed on Earth prior to around 1990 CE was ever intelligently designed (or the product of intelligent design).
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Why Did the Apostles Preach the Ministry of Reconciliation Instead of Mt. 24: 14 ...Like JW's Do?
by Sea Breeze inand all things are of god, who hath reconciled us to himself by jesus christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 to wit, that god was in christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
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5: 18. then fourteen years after i went up again to jerusalem with barnabas, and took titus with me also.
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The source of the ministry of reconciliation which you presented is only coming from one source, namely from Paul. We don't have any writings from James, Cephas, or John testifying that Paul was accepted by them. We have the book of Acts but it was not written by them. We have the letters called 1 Peter and 2 Peter but modern critical scholars say they were not written by the Apostle Peter but instead are forgeries in the name of the Apostle Peter.
Paul said elsewhere he never met Jesus in the flesh. Paul claimed he was convinced he saw a a supernatural risen Christ, but naturalists believe he saw only a vision which his own mind created (not a vision sent by Christ). Paul probably had temporal lobe epilepsy and such can induce a person to see visions. The historical Jesus (if he really existed) preached an apocalyptic message of the coming of the kingdom of God and the coming of the Son of Man (later Christians came to believe that Jesus was himself the Son of Man).
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If not the WT/JW relgion where else are 'we' to go? Why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism?
by Disillusioned JW insometimes jws wonder if the wt/jw is not the truth, 'then where else are we to go?
' i say 'why not atheistic/scientific philosophical naturalism and why not a secular philosophy which teaches a way of life?
' what do you folks say?.
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I noticed that The Information Enigma video (which Sea Breeze referred to) disagrees with young earth creationism (including the idea of a young biosphere) in a few ways, but that it is in harmony with old earth creationism and an old biosphere. That is because of the following. [Note, that besides watching and listening to the video, one can also read the transcript which is at https://scienceleadstogod.org/information-enigma-where-does-information-come-from/ .]
The Information Enigma says the Cambrian explosion began 530 million years ago and that is lasted for perhaps ten million years (both in agreement with geologists, except that geologists now say it began about 541 million years ago instead of about 530 million years ago). Notice it says the following.
"Until 530 million years ago the oceans of the early Earth were almost completely void of animal life.
Then, within a geologically brief span, of perhaps ten million years, the waters were suddenly alive teeming with a riot of complex animals representing most of the major animal body plans that have ever existed on our planet, know today as the Cambrian Explosion."The Information Enigma says that life has been in existence on Earth for at least 3.5 billion years, for it says "Throughout the 3,500 million year history of life on Earth ....".
The science fiction movie called "Mission to Mars" (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_to_Mars ) teaches intelligent design - by ancient Martians. It says that ancient intelligent technologically advanced Martians (whom the movie says had some anatomical resemblance to modern humans) seeded multi-cellular life onto Earth (and that the Earth already had unicellular life at that time) at the start of the Cambrian period by using some DNA which was based upon that of life on Mars. The movie said such brought about the Cambrian explosion. The movie also teaches evolution for it says (or at least visually represents) that the life on Earth evolved over the ensuing hundreds of millions of years, resulting in the species which exist today on Earth - including humans.
One of the main characters in the movie discovers that there is coded information in a radio signal from a formation located on Mars (that which is called the "Face") and that the code is that of DNA which is entirely the same as human DNA except for not including the last chromosome. As a result, he realizes that some former intelligence on Mars had encoded the radio signal and that it was a message to humans. [The Wikipedia page about the movie says the following. "A projection of a humanoid Martian lifeform reveals that the native Martians evacuated the planet in spaceships, one of which was sent to seed Earth with DNA, intending to create life that could one day land on Mars and be recognized as descendants."] That type of argument is basically the same which Sea Breeze used on page 6 of this topic thread when he said the following.
'For comparison, if you go to the SETI (Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence) website you'll find the following question:
How do you know if you’ve detected an intelligent, extraterrestrial signal?
Answer? "the existence of coded information on the signal"
So, on one hand, scientific naturalists accept an intelligent source if they detect even one small coded message from radio waves emitting from space, But when confronted with the 1,206,980 printed pages of coded DNA information in the human genome, they say this is formed by an unintelligent combination of chance and natural selection, which has already been scientifically demonstrated to be impossible.'
I currently intend to make another comment regarding the intelligent design idea of DNA indicating intelligent design.
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Ron DeSantis: "We do not require assistance. The people of Florida will rebuild on our own"
by BettyHumpter inas if.no, of course he's already asking for federal aid.
it's the republican way.
florida needs the rest of the country to pitch in taxpayer dollars because it's different when it happens to me.
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People who live in large cities meet a much larger variety of people with a much larger variety of customs and ideas. Coming in contact with many ideas different than our own tends to more likely result in a change of ones ideas, than would otherwise be the case. Furthermore, people in highly populated areas (with a high diversity of people) have to be more more tolerant of people different than them (including in the workplace) in order for each of them to get along well with each other. As result large cities tend to have much higher proportion of liberals than rural areas.
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Poor metabolic health increases your risk for heart disease, diabetes, and stroke.
by was a new boy init’s all a big fat lie.
more precisely a big low-fat, high-carbohydrate lie.. 'it took dr. paul marik 12 weeks to prove that conventional wisdom about dieting is a lie, and that was just to himself.
he lost 35 pounds, and cured himself of type 2 diabetes.
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was a new boy, exactly what kind of diet do you think is bad? Do you only mean "low-fat, high-carbohydrate" or do you also have other kinds in mind? By the by way I am using the word "diet" in the broad sense of "that which one eats", rather than only in the sense of that which one eats for a short period of time in order to loose weight. I am primarily talking about that which one eats on an ongoing basis. There is evidence that the diet which consists primarily of plants and which has very little meats is optimal for health and longevity.
David Sinclair is a Harvard Medical School professor of genetics and he is a molecular biologist. In his best selling book called Lifespan: Why We Age, and Why We Don't Have To he details his research into aging as a disease. I own a copy of that book but so far I have barely read it. https://mentalpivot.com/practical-recommendations-from-david-sinclairs-lifespan/ (which is a copy of a portion of the Lifespan book) says the following.
'Like any other disease, aging can be prevented, treated, and potentially cured. While Sinclair readily admits that more research and scientific inquiry is needed before we can cure aging—an audacious goal to be sure—there are a number of practical habits and behaviors available today that can forestall the effects of aging. This post highlights those recommendations.
... Sinclair doesn’t go into great detail about what to eat, but does touch on some key points:
- Eat less meat, eat more plants. Diets higher in plant-based foods reduce all-cause mortality.
- Reduce sugar consumption: evidence suggests high blood sugar increases epigenetic clock.
If in doubt, look to the diets of people who live in “Blue Zones.” These are populations (like Okinawa) where the average lifespan is particularly high.'
https://www.nad.com/news/david-sinclair-explains-how-to-live-longer-by-changing-the-way-we-eat says the following.
"What should we eat? Dr. Sinclair himself is now a vegetarian if that tells you anything. Also, in the 2013 Adventist Health study, it was calculated that vegetarians live longer than non-vegetarians. Additionally, in a study on women, the Mediterranean diet (mostly vegetarian with some fish) decreased biological aging.
... Why are plant-based foods good for us? Dr. Sinclair and Dr. Konrad Howitz published a paper in Nature showing that plants contain molecules called polyphenols, which activate the sirtuin enzyme Sirt1 and cellular pathways important for health and longevity. "